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Luka Doncic May Be In The NBA Finals But Where Does He Rank As A Suns Villain?



Luka Doncic May Be In The NBA Finals But Where Does He Rank As A Suns Villain?

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] happy Friday everybody Welcome in to another episode of the phnx Suns podcast brought to you by our friends over at OG’s brand shout out to our friends at OG’s BRS for being the official sponsor of flavoring Fridays head on over to OG’s brands.com to see their full lineup including their tun newest gummies the OG’s Naturals and the big ogs and to find out where you can purchase get your weekend started right right sa sure yes exact absolutely hell yeah you start your weekend right maybe it helps you relax and forget about all the things from yesterday that made you upset maybe it needs to just let you let go a little bit like not just that but like just in life in general because I don’t like what I just saw what did you just see I just saw saw my favorite player of all time being claimed to be the villain because of one person on this show who has animosity about him because of 93 it’s not Eric Eric wasn’t even born then I didn’t add him to the list well I didn’t I said the other guy on that team that I wanted blasphemy we will get into that I don’t like Eric Ruby anymore we will get into some villains on this program because this week hasn’t been exactly the most enjoyable week as a Sons fan right we got all the LeBron drama and rumors what’s that you got Luca going to the finals what it’s just not exactly the most fun situation at times but I will say there was some fun that came out of it we got some jokes off on social media last night and by we I mean quite a few people on the internet Gerald you had one right I did I couldn’t help but watch this game and feel like I’ve seen this before I have lived this before I was in the building this before watching Luca donich steal another team soul in a closeout playoff game is the epitome of the first time meme with James Franco and I wasn’t the only one making this comparison either because we had we had some really good tweets last night and unfortunately there were a lot at the sun’s expense this one from Robbie K and Luca absolutely hates teams that do performative postgame workouts dude and it’s got pictures of book it working out in the hallway and then pictures of the Timberwolves absolutely hilarious I mean look every team does this but it’s funny you got to get the jokes off so I get yeah and then there was that time when Anthony Edwards hit the three to cut the lead from 30 to 27 and you knew the Chris Paul meme of Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42 was going to come up so well somebody actually did that same YouTube graphic with ant in it I was laughing about that sometimes the internet is a great place it is often times it’s awful but sometimes it’s pretty wonderful definitely experienced both of those I don’t know you and Shane also got in on the shenanigans too you created something should we show the original first okay we’ll show the original here I remember we were playing Phoenix they were talking so much [ __ ] telling us we need to make we better make the playoffs we ain’t going to make the playoffs we out of the playoffs but y’all this is a disgrace bro things come things come at you fast a because look at this remix we out of the playoffs but y’all this is a disgrace bro like y’all got points in the third quarter now if you can’t tell there we put the Timberwolves Ms game on the TV and talking about himself in the remix version thanks to Shane defin boach for the edit there for sure so I mean at least we will always have the tweets right we’ll always have the tweets but Luca going to the finals really um kind of made us feel like we’re adding more and more villains to the list and they’re just rising up the tears right they might have started lower one day but now it feels like they’re just inching their way up the ladder to that top spot and I think we should rank some villains around son’s history I think you’re gonna be wildly disappointed with what I think about Luca oh boy here we go okay okay well let’s dive into it so some of we’re going to tear Sun’s villains here and we’ve got five different tiers to put different people and things into the top of the list the WOTE worst of all time then we have the we hate you category the just plain awful category really bad and then henchmen okay just like kind of bad but you know the guys that help not the worst exactly should we start with Luca sure since we’ve already open that can of worms why not Luca Dage we we’ll go down in the line ask will you start us where do you put luuka I know where you guys expect me to MH but last night I came to a weird acceptance I’ve gone through all the stages of grief I’m willing to admit you know not that it’s a big big moment but I’m willing admit how wrong some of us were uh a handful of years ago I actually okay is he annoying in games yeah but you can’t deny what Luca does on the court anymore you can’t pretend that it wasn’t the wrong move I’d put him in really bad I don’t think I’m that high to be honest because what am I mad at because he kicked our ass once in the playoffs yeah because because he got to the final second after Devin Booker did it like know like what a no that’s that that does not when you look at how many things are on this list I can’t put Luca all that high on it he’s what we accuse him of a lot of our guys do it too so Marco in the chat say Luca is not an enemy he’s a parot oh my that’s brutal Marco damn uh I mean for me he has to be in at least we hate you that’s high for you Gerald 100% 100% okay he ended the greatest season in the sun’s franchise his at home against the guy they drafted over him he outscored that team by Halftime by himself like if that’s not top tier villain [ __ ] and here’s the thing lots of people are going to look at villains as like oh yeah we totally hate this guy there’s no redeeming this guy the best villains out there are the ones that you kind of identify with and Luca donic has fully got us to the point where we’re like yeah we can’t hate him too much cuz he was the right pick and cuz he’s really good not only that but him book are cool now like they were hanging out in Cancun together during the All-Star break like yeah can we really continue to hate him if book and him are buddies this is wild can I Counterpoint your argument though you can shouldn’t that mean that DeAndre haon is the villain that the call came from inside the goddamn house he himself he didn’t draft himself but he did get drafted and then didn’t put forth the effort and didn’t live up to his hype well the other guy did I don’t I I think the guy that beats you head-to-head is the villain there like you’re not going to convince me that da needs to be higher on this list than Luca but Luca’s got to be at least just plain awful or we hate you all right so where would you put him man this is like when you were in like you’re choosing between two girls maybe and then you were like H you know what I don’t I don’t I think I’m gonna go with her and that ends up being the wrong choice because this one ends up flourishing and being like some super model awesome person like [ __ ] that’s on you MH that’s why I don’t think Luca should even be on this list oh man okay at least be on the list I’ll say henchman at at the at at the very worst he’s a henchman because why we did this to ourselves we could have avoided all of this and we could have drafted Luca I was definitely one of the ones that was saying don’t draft Luca and guess what he came back and he made us pay I got to I got to take that one that’s on me that’s on me so henchman I mean and there’s nothing wrong with him torching your team like hey if you don’t like it stop it he didn’t cheap shot anybody he didn’t play anybody dirty he just absolutely annihilated us that’s it we could say that about a lot of the guys that we’re talk about category tears that’s the problem with this is like sometimes it’s not even about you beating us sometimes it’s it’s the feelings that you there was a lot of animosity towards Luca we literally years ago literally rode the LCA a ho thing for two years after that like come on still is a ho yeah I mean he still can it doesn’t me can be true with exactly some people like hoes oh on man so I I’m disgusted with the switch up here just playing awful and really bad I wouldn’t go all the way up to the we hate that’s a little you guys he ended the best season in our franchise’s history in our history but even de Devin Booker said that there was flaws with that team that they just never really admitted because they were kept winning and then they got to the playoffs and those flaws came to fruition like so it’s not like yeah I get the 64 win record cool but even Devon Booker admitted that they might have been record-wise better than they actually were so we have to decide between just playing off and really bad because uh those are the four that we kind of have so it would have to be one of those two middle ones can’t be we hate you and it can’t be henchmen uh I’ll say just plain awful but I’m going to guarantee this this is going to get worse as we as the years go on I can move to just plain awful I can I can give you that just plain awful we can’t do any lower than that will put him in just plain off that game seven is one of the most traumatic moments in Sun’s franchise history and he single-handedly did it to us I don’t know like I feel like when you get blown out you just start laughing after so no no one was laughing come on bro we were down by 37 in the third quarter I looked at us I was like we both started cracking up turned into the Joker Keep from Crying sure I mean we still laughing oh man all right Jesus this is [ __ ] terrible let’s go back in once right like oh it was just the one time let’s take a trip down memory lane shall we all the way before many of our times the coin it’s it’s a woke where are we putting the coin it is the start of the curse it has to be at the top definitely W yeah we don’t even have to have a discussion about that one for me you got in L the just speaking of the coin curse when Kareem did that in the middle of the finals we went from up 20 to losing four straight it’s it’s up there y if I could find one I’d melt the [ __ ] down I don’t care if it’s a felony to destroy currency why do you think they why why you think they coined the the phrase uh coin purse because it hurts you get kicked in your coin purse oh okay I see I was thinking about a literal coin purse and I was like what I’m so confused nobody knows what that is Lind I feel like people do you do my n used vintage like that vintage is cool my n used to have one for shut up Gerald true she did that’s true okay let’s throw a mix one uh just a random one in here sure Pat Bev henchman what what henchman henchman he is the definition of a goon that is irrelevant in son’s history he broke Devon’s nose oh my God he they beat him and he’s a piece of crap what are you talking about Luca is really a bigger villain than yes Pat Bev yes everybody hates Pat Bev nothing Pat Bev has done has affected the sons the definition of a villain though it doesn’t mean you just get hurt in the playoffs or just you just play better than our team these are Sons villains right you’re a piece of [ __ ] you should be a w that’s at least three people on the sun team that he has assaulted essentially I’m sorry but henchman is the definition of goon that’s what Pat Bev is he’s irrelevant I’m not even giving him the time of day on you’re being literal no I’m not like he’s he’s if we’re talking about Suns villains people that have hurt the Suns and their fan base the most broke his nose he pushed da down and they still won the game he push Paul and hurt his shoulder which ultimately affected him in that Series in the finals I heard his shoulder in the Lakers series know I know that but then him oh you you saw him getting pushed from behind snapping his head back didn’t have any effect on those nerves at all as but what do you think I have him we hate you I feel like you have to have let me let me let me let me just have full disclosure here because Pat B wasn’t even on the [ __ ] list until I added him you guys forgot about him and now we’re going to act like he’s one of the worst come on he’s irrelevant that is by definition to the list a henchman we added him to the list after we went through our main candidates so basically what you’re saying is the people that you’re going to have at the top are all people that affected Us in games in in like critical moments yeah like a lot or in critical ways like we have we have def different definitions and that’s okay I feel like we should have had a just [ __ ] category because is the is the epitome of he’s just an [ __ ] he’s a knack like he’s the guy that just annoys the [ __ ] out of you I would put him in just plain awful he is just plain awful put there we could put him there we can split the difference but I can agree with that we gonna go with just PL off all right remember that when we get to Robert Ory I’m putting him behind Luka yeah he’s behind LCA for sure but he’s just plain awful wait wait so you’re saying that he’s less of awful than LCA yes yes yes 100% never came into our building and kicked our ass in a playoff game I mean physically he he did he tried okay well since yeah I I think he’s not relevant enough for me like we hate him and we love to hate him we hate everybody on this list for the most except for but we all collectively love to hate no I like Luka too but like as a Fane yeah I think as a fan base we love to hate Pat Bev yeah you love to hate Draymond Green too but I don’t think i’ put him high on the he’s a net he has done he showed he showed that you want him lower is that what you’re saying I thought you said you wanted I’m starting to the more I hear Gerald talk I’m starting to understand that so easily manipulated around the set no because I think it makes it makes more sense he hasn’t he annoys the [ __ ] out of me but is he really up there with these with these people have ripped your hearts out who have just destroyed the franchise in so many ways no he’s just a dick yeah he’s a cheap shot artist yeah he’s a dick so well he’s literally in the middle so I think that’s fine we’ll just leave him there but since you brought it up Saul and the chat is already talking about him oh yeah hey keep that same energy folks if you didn’t think Pat B was was a piece of crap then uh I want to hear what you have to say about Robert Ory Robert Ory beat like his play Beat you too like he was there for so many times you got your ass kicked Houston La the Spurs he was basically your Trail of Tears he was there the whole [ __ ] time yeah he was there the whole time did he contribute a lot of points in those games not very much the hip check though changed the course of that series I had him and we hate you okay but also remember when he actually came on the program and he turned us all a little bit soft because he gave us a lot of backstory and there was a lot of [ __ ] going on in his life and all of a sudden we were like I give you know what I’m at a point where good on you for throwing a towel on Danny Ang’s face because I think a lot of us would like to do that post his son’s career so I’m fine with that portion of it it’s everything that happened after the towel toss once we traded him to the Lakers I ain’t particularly a big fan of because he could have helped the Suns and instead he wound up on all our most hated teams so say Jay also brings up a very valid point he apologized he did Pat Bev did not okay hold on take a step back I’m just saying when he apologized to so say J it’s because he paid him on Cameo he didn’t have to accept it he could have turned it down I’ll hold on I’ll say pretty much anything for money I mean I think proven that over my career so you know I think I think Robert Ory would for a cameo on paper Robert Ory did the same exact things that Pat Bev has done no he didn’t it a little bit had Pat Bev beat the Suns and then went on to win a championship hell no he had and Pat Bev breaking books knows I don’t think completely derailed the rest of that playoff run yeah it might have been a part of it but I don’t think it it affected it as greatly I have him I had him in we hate you um he’s one of the greatest Suns villains ever just because of how many teams he was on that beat us and the hip check thing like you’re never that moment will never be forgotten and so says Jay says LOL Fair Point Expo yes you paid him lawyer all right uh I would settle for the we hate you but I will likely push him towards the back of the line yeah that’s fair as we continue on this I mean excise I had him at henchman so henchman yeah fine now you’re just being and forget you know just I’ve grown like that you know oh no you know listen Pat Bev is an absolute dick he is and he’s going to be listed uh a tier below Robert ay who I feel like they both did the same thing by the definition of the people on this panel I think it’s not the same not circumstantial beat the Suns on a way to a title with multiple teams circumstantial evidence that’s all that is Lakers he just Happ to be on those scenes happens to be on great teams if he was on any other team we would not be saying this hold on are you now Lindsay have you turned into the chaos AG on this one in particular man whipped out circumstantial evidence the glasses come on and he’s he’s now a lawyer that’s it no all right Bobby Cox sent us a Super Chat thank you Bobby they said hi lyy Saul Gerald and espo how about Mario Ellie his three knock the sons out of the playoff in game seven in 1995 vain Mario Ellie where we put Mario Ellie the shot if it was just the shot I could I could stand an argument that isn’t worst of all time but it’s the kiss as well on the way out and then you know that he he’s a wot a w I had him in oh my God this list is absolute crazy I had him in we hate you yeah I think we hate you yeah I we hate you before or after Rober Dory before after yeah I do after after so where do you want it so you must have had Robert I think it should be before Robert it went coin Robert Ory for me like and and robbert ory could have moved past the coin if Again by your own definition you’re contradicting yourselves because Mario Ali literally did something in a game to end your season I said he should have been in the w i said both those guys if I had be coin Ellie but he should be before Orie no Ellie because the sun still had a chance to win that series despite the fact that Steve Nash got hip checked oh man Robert Ory didn’t hit a game-winning shot against the Suns ever I think what we again I’m just using your words against you guys that’s all I’m doing one one incident here with Ellie you had multiple times with multip teams with aie that he was part of the group that knocked you out of the playoffs and went on to win a title that counts but until the hip check you didn’t even [ __ ] know he was out there half time have a solu true I have a solution since we seem to be split you two think he should be after Orie yes we think he should be before chat we flip a coin we’re not no damn it we don’t need to put a poll Eric just just the next like 10 people to comment you tell which one goes first Ellie or Orie and we’ll go off of that so while we’re waiting for that to come in we will do a couple more uh St shape bag did send us a Super Chat and said everyone on this list is toilet water yes that’s that’s part of the not incorrect no not everybody there’s one person you’re not incorrect um all right since we are on NOP you know what let’s just kind of randomly let’s keep yeah going the refs really bad really bad yeah really bad the like I don’t know well okay this is a common thing for everybody does Tim donie move them up one because there’s a legit betting Scandal involving a ref that there’s close to proof that impacted a playoff run you have well that was the same thing for the Kings too yeah I mean but you could be hated by multiple Bas I mean I would have had them henchmen but because of that I would say that they were I think if they’re a person that you could include on everybody’s list that kind of does water it down a little bit that’s fair that’s fair if it refs in general if it had been Tim doni specifically I may have argued if you were to if you were to list like the 10 most traumatic moments in Sun’s history I don’t know that an officiating call would make that list yeah I agree even the suspension well but that was more oh that came Stern onist be honest that’s fair because it came after the game if it was Stern we could put them in plain awful but refs themselves they’re they’re going to make mistakes okay okay so really bad for refs we’re going to go with that yeah yeah okay um so I only got two comments for Ellie and then one comment for ory so it’s gonna be Ellie first [ __ ] that sorry that’s crazy dog Robert Ory is like one of the biggest might have needed to give more time but it’s Lindsay’s just doing this because Robert was so nice when he talked to he was very nice he was I don’t give a [ __ ] well I also don’t give a [ __ ] ASO until that man straight to my face without me paying him any money to do it you refused to show up you cow out I actually didn’t haveck no no I think no you were like I was I was sick and that’s why I had the vid when that all right Robert Sarver that should have been that’s a oh Robert Sarver the nope coin is coin coin the coin is an inanimate object coin the co hold on the coin started the curse and without the curse we never get saddled with Robert Ory as an owner s Sarver I mean Robert oreon n too so Robert Sarver okay oh man Bobby sares I just want to be on record that Sarver was number one on my list I’ll give you this worst human on the list I will give you all right oh my goodness cous okay uh next up Anthony Edwards henchman he was I think I had I mean yeah henchman really bad I was on the border of those call henchman got henchman yeah he he’s too hard to hate honestly and like even when KD is smiling at him talking [ __ ] it’s like yeah this is this is his moment the only reason even as henchman is the the crotch chop in my mind I wouldn’t even put him on the list like well he did talk [ __ ] about us getting run out of the too true literally just showed that Karma paid him back okay so we are going to put a we did put a poll in the chat since y’all got mad um so we put a poll in the chat you have until the end of these wonderful program updates uh to get your votes in okay and first and foremost we got to talk about our friends over at illegal pets if you are looking for a great place to grab some food some lunch some dinner some drinks whatever it may be this weekend illegal pets is your place to go they are also hooking you up with their sound check deal so their legendary sound check deal 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all right so the chat decided Robert Ory should be ahead of Mario Ellie so we’ll swap those two right here um that’s fine I’m not mad at it it’s okay okay next up let’s talk about the Nuggets SL yic we’re gonna put them in the same group here I don’t think we should separate them like yices nuggets spe there you go I don’t want to think about yoku’s nuggets at all brother where would you guys have like I I feel like there’s more I don’t know that they’re a quote unquote villain but there’s definitely more beef there yeah than there is there’s more beef recently I would put them like really bad henchmen yeah they’re on the cusp around there let’s put him really bad I had him between really bad and just playing awful so play with really bad he did he swung at him like a bear yeah we also beat the [ __ ] out of them in a playoff series so we did before the refs I would put them before the refs personally yeah I’ll put them before the refs I think that’s fair all right perfect that’s where they’re going to live how about the Lakers though w w man yeah W but right after nobody’s going nobody’s going ahead of server or the coin I think that’s so everything in will from now on is after those two first the Lakers were close for me they were number three on my list I mean they’re the suns are five and eight all time in the playoffs against the Lakers in series they didn’t beat them for the first time until 1990 I think they went 0 and six their first six tries well then you go back and look how many times they went and won a championship after beating us too like yeah speaking of championships fun times you want to talk about Yannis where would you have Yannis yeah I mean I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t even have Yannis or Drew holiday on the list so this is the hard part about this Gerald because I understand what you’re saying like they took away our opportunity to win a championship yes but there there’s no ill will there so they don’t feel like a villain they were just like a hurdle in the way of an achievement that we should have been able to do but I blame us more than them and I don’t hate also in in the case of Giannis like Giannis and Jordan and Kobe like I feel like their talent was just so undeniable nobody in the league was going to be able to stop those guys in those moments so like it’s hard for me to have against something that I feel like was I mean is was not a surprise that it happened I get it and I’m not ad I don’t hate Luca I don’t hate yic I don’t hate Giannis I don’t hate most of the people or players on this list but if we’re looking at it from a son’s perspective like if the suns are the good guys and this was the bad guy in their way Giannis provided two of the most traumatizing finals moments in our franchise’s history like the block the alleyoop on the other end like those are traumatic gamechanging plays that you can’t forget or ignore yeah they are if you’re the good guy if you’re the good guy they are the bad guy they are the antagonist but the but the villain tell me if I’m wrong the villain does make you feel some type of way about them like they make you like hate them for a specific reason and and Giannis is the furthest thing from my mind in terms of people that I now now we’re getting technical with what the definition of the villain is these are Sons bad guys they would that was the guy that was in their path that ruined their title said the2 I know that but that’s why I have him in like just plain awful like he’s in the middle I would put him I’d put him a henchman yeah I oh my God you guys he denied it he went god mode and was single-handedly like no Devon Booker no Chris Paul no Phoenix Suns no title for you sometimes you just have to go it is what it is that’s part of it but that doesn’t mean that their impact was any less like they denied you one of your three shots at a title it doesn’t matter if you like them or not or whether you respect them if you had said the 2021 Milwaukee Bucks as a whole I’d probably put them in just plain awful or in we hate you because that team as a whole took it away from you and it sucks right there but to me there wasn’t just one moment you’re up 20 and you have a collap colossal collapse basically uh in those final four games where that alleyoop you could argue if booked had reacted quick to to noticing Where Da was and threw it a half a second earlier problem maybe you should put Chris Paul’s left arm on there okay I would be fine putting in had no feel it just went out of bounds I would be fine with putting him in really bad and we could put him at the top of the list if you i’ put a henchman but that’s where would you decide he’s at least really bad guys he owned us in a final series give you that top of really bad or behind the nuggets and yoke it top yeah he beat you for a champion so where should we put Drew then why the why are the the the 72 Celtics not on there then 76 76 my bad um I mean if they they beat us to a title like I that’s what I’m saying it’s like I don’t think you have to evoke some type of emotion about about why you feel this way clearly you feel some type of way about this because you’re fighting so hard about fans and their therapy bills after that series of [ __ ] Drew holidays still haunting their dream the Drew holiday thing is yeah I get it but like Giannis was like he was so unbeatable that whole year he was the MVP he was fantastic like I don’t know I don’t have a problem with it like I’m not surprised again like I said if you had put the entire Bucks team I would have a different answer for you I’m just saying man you I think the biggest reason is like groundhog Mama puts in the chat I loved Giannis and wanted to see him win a championship dot dot dot until he won at our expense but he’s hard to hate as a person of course this isn’t about hate I don’t hate any of these people as a person it’s as obstacle as aill in their history I saw I believe you’re a [ __ ] dick there’s different feelings for each of these guys I get it but it’s about relevance to the Suns not our own personal feelings like so we’re putting Giannis where he’s at at the top of really bad where should we put Drew probably right behind him or behind yic and the Nuggets yeah I’d probably put him behind yic oh man oh my God guys what are we doing right now do you mean what are we doing Drew holiday these are the bad guys Drew holiday Drew holiday literally made the play of the entire series and we’re putting him behind Giannis if Drew holiday doesn’t strip Devon Booker Devin hits that shot we win that game and we probably come back for a game seven I don’t think it’s cut and dry as that’s the play of the series I mean if Giannis doesn’t drop 50 we don’t lose right if Giannis doesn’t block throw down we were on that huge run Deon was on a heater like everything was going in our put them together then fine move them in front of yage okay we’re going to put Yannis and then Drew or Drew and I really don’t care Drew and Yannis are like such great people man it just hurts this isn’t about that that’s not what this is about it is for me it’s my definition too damn it Gerald okay let’s put a pin in the Bucks and move on to the Bulls Michael Jordan uh has to go I think he has to go in the same area that that Giannis Isley Barkley said it Barkley said it best God God told me that that I should win a title I just didn’t realize that Michael Jordan was God right like sometimes you just can’t beat something and and this is for me who we all know my my sarcastic stance with it but I think I think he’s really in in the really bad withis when we went into that series I don’t think like I know everybody was excited but I don’t know how many people were like oh we are absolutely winning the championship over Michael Jordan this year like I don’t think there was a lot of people that were so confident about that and then they took the first two at home on our home court like you knew like oh well this a this ain’t gonna be good so I thought they would but I was nine so would hell yeah me I I don’t know like I can’t comment on this because I’m too biased there’s no way Michael Jordan would be on this list for me so but do do you agree that if he’s on here like he should be right there with Giannis because it’s the same it’s the same thing yeah it’s the same thing I put him in that area so then are we putting him at the top before Giannis after I’d put him before what I’d put him out ahead of The Bu or after put him right before Yann he’s the greatest player of all time I mean I don’t care that’s fine I think it’s that’s fine I think it’s all I I don’t feel like this is a tiered system when it gets into the actual tier I just feel like are they on that tier or not so then where are we putting John Pax pax’s a woke oh that the shot that did it a guy that has no business hitting the game-winning shot I see that shot in my dreams in my nightmares to this day I will never get over the feeling of how that hurt so bad thank god what the [ __ ] are we doing with the honest and true holiday it’s the same it wasn’t a game-winning shot that’s just a big deal dude it’s a game winning it was it was on our home court we just took the lead and then Pax it hits the three same [ __ ] it’s not the same it’s not the same it’s not the same you just said I see it in my dreams there’s a whole new there and thought we sat there and thought Michael Jordan’s GNA take the ball to the hole get your hands off me Eric you got to say one nice thing about listen listen we thought Michael Jordan was going to take it to the hole he came down passed the ball Scotty to hor and then all of a sudden out to PA and you’re like what the hell’s going on no no no three no three and it just ripped your heart and there’s that video of Westfall in the Huddle saying don’t give up a three oh my God yeah it that shot won the title for the Bulls like last second I get it there was there was still a second and a half left on the there’s also a very clear distinction what’s going on right now you and I were alive and well at that point time were not you were not oh so I can’t appreciate history cuz I’m a dumbass who was two you don’t have the Celtics on there and I was for the Celtics it’s not that you can’t appreciate it or that you’re a dumbass it’s just you don’t have to because that’s not a good argument because there’s a whole new in the moment so it hits a little different whole new generation of suns fans that were just as traumatized by what Yannis and Drew did if there’s not one but there’s not one identifiable moment that took you away from your championship with there’s three of them yeah but they’re spread out evenly over the one had two of them okay if if Yannis I would agree with you if in that game six you’re you’re sitting there and and Giannis or or Drew Holiday Hits a jumper with with a second left and and does does basically closes the door right there with one shot I would agree I they’d be much that’s why I have Paxon higher than Giannis and Drew that’s not my argument AR is not that those guys are higher my argument is those two are way too low and you just use the same logic for PAX that you denied for groundhog mama says it perfectly she says the Bucks slowly poisoned us while Paxon stabbed Us in the heart yeah and you died the same way you died but there two different ways one was a slow death the other one was right away and that the paxing one was like right away so we hate you no I have him in W behind the Lakers yeah okay I can find a happy balance yeah I think that’s fair but I had ahead of him behind the Lakers I did too well but I I don’t think you’re an idiot or incapable of understanding the that was that was directed somebody else all right I was being you don’t know what basketball is cu you weren’t born in 93 Gerald you dumb two-year-olds okay why don’t we just take players out of it for a second and just talk about cocaine how about that let’s just do a little breather here and talk about said how about a bump we we hate you because it almost cost you the entire franchise you need to tell us a little bit about with the cliff not 1986 the Suns wound up getting caught in a cocaine Scandal where guys were indicted on the roster including your all-time leading scorer Walter Davis at the time uh the entire Scandal almost cost you the frame franchise because ownership was already looking at selling the league was so immensely pissed about this guys went to jail actually uh and there was there were some rumors the team might move they didn’t Jerry Colangelo bought it they stayed but there was an entire embarrassing government investigation into like a third of your roster for being involved with Distributing cocaine and purchasing cocaine cocaine but deserves to be on this list yeah I I had him in just plain awful but we hate you well and and you know what good with I’m pretty sure Dumis might have that might have derailed his career too so you add that in give me cocaine and we hate you okay we hate hold up time out oh no hold up time out this this gonna be C lead yeah but what could make what could make the argument that Richard Dumis was also held by cocaine in ’93 so like what are we doing here what are we doing here that is not the argument I thought you were G to make about cocaine you can’t have it both ways ESO cocaine goes at the end of we hate you the end of we hate you Eric cocaine goes at the end of we hate you all right next up as hello says it’s a hell of a it’s a hell of a drug it is it surely is let’s get back on track with the yelling uh Kobe Bryant where would we like to put him he’s man he plays he’s somewhere in W or we hate you I’m putting him in we hate you I’m going say we hate you we hate you cuz I will give him credit before I would say we hate you because he did one thing for Devon Booker and saying be legendary and I think that has an impact on dev to this day so I would put him in we I feel like he has to go behind aie and Ellie so I would say the question is before after cocaine really before I’ll give you before cocain did you ever worse or better could you ever imagine you’d say that nothing surprises me anymore my gosh no surprises anymore I will also say he did one other thing for the Suns remember that Gabe s where he refused to shoot that helped the S all right uh Jose Alvarado Alvarado Alvarado henchman hen very before after a end of the list after ant he’s just an antagonizer yeah he’s a little n he’s never done anything he was fun yeah he’s the epitome of guy you hate but would love to have on your team yeah so all right final one Spurs San Antonio Spurs before the Lakers or in front of the Lakers the Lakers front of the Lakers yeah they destroyed 7 seconds or less that was supposed to be the dominant team of that era two-time MVP on that team you you’ve got multiple Ring of Honor members three ring of honor members on that team a coach that supposedly helped change the game of basketball and you couldn’t win because there was this this ridiculous Spurs team that that kept beating you I would I would actually put because of that that is actually a great point they they probably stopped you from winning at least two championships yeah so because of that I would put him before Sarver before Oh I would I would I wouldn’t put them honestly that’s not a terrible place to put them not because I’m not judging human be like that’s the tough thing that’s the problem yeah but because technically technically if the Spurs don’t exist Sarver gives us our first two championships ever let me and that’s a hard thing to swallow thank you the the Spurs may have spoiled our ability to be maybe a dynasty during that time but this man outside of the the off the court stuff gave you the 10 Worst Years in franchise history the most miserable 10 years of basketb things away for cash that only directly benefited him and not any of us or this team right as much as the Spurs and Lakers were playoff antagonist during that time they had a guy chopping them out from under the knees with by selling off draft picks in the middle of Nash and Mari and all those guys Prime didn’t pay Jo like I’m so torn though because like I said you can pay me to say things man did pay me for five years yeah but he doesn’t anymore so it’s fine and he didn’t pay me well so [ __ ] you you can say to be fair you said he didn’t really know you so did he even know you that esposa guy that runs my social [ __ ] you you can stay at number two with the coins looking better so our this is this is all we’re gonna be tearing today so finally comes down to we’re going to go top to bottom worst of all time the coin Robert Sarver the Spurs the Lakers John Paxton we hate you Robert Ory Mario Ellie Kobe Briant and cocaine just plain awful Luka donic Pat Bev really bad Drew holiday Yannis anmo Michael Jordan jokic’s nuggets and then referees henchman Anthony Edwards and Jose Alvarado I’m not mad at it no no I think it I think it netted out pretty well yeah let’s see we all made some compromises we did we did all make some compromises we do have a couple super chats about it though Buddha the skitso sent his one and said these are my favorite types of show thank you Buddha we appreciate you being there’s more really nutty Larry leis said Tim Don we decided not to like separate it out but we did tell you that if we did he probably would have been higher on the list psycho blue sent us one and they said Rob rori is the primary Keeper of the basketb seal of cthulu he is the hero of the Gods and traitor to the old one the basketball Gods dubbed him bobbert of The Seven Rings oh cocaine is a hell of a drug t t said half this chat on cocaine WT um no good transition from that to this but our friends over at cirle I don’t think that’s good either I don’t think either of them want it you want to get high this weekend you don’t have to do cocaine to 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you won’t get indicted for the friends over OG’s have got you covered this weekend they’ve got some unbelievable new products the big ogs uh that that I love and the naturals if you are vegan we’ve got an option for you uh the the new OG’s Naturals or vegan gummies made with live available in sweet Clementine flavor this is not as much fun as a Nookie monster yesterday doing this read meanwhile the big ogs is a mega version of Peg’s raspberry RSO uh one of the company’s most popular products because it’s freaking giant it’s a 8 100 Mega megag not a megag 100 megag oh my God 100 milligram of THC cut into 10 milligram slices it is fantastic uh so to learn learn more about OG’s gummies and where you can find them head over to OG’s brs.com must be 21 or over to enjoy and please enjoy responsible all right we got a super chat from Leo Leo said what broke your heart the most Drew holiday stealing the ball from Bing game five or metal World Peace game winner in 2009 metal world pece yeah man that was such an asinine Kobe airballs a shot you think you’re gonna be one win away from uh from the finals and then he throws that ball in yeah yeah that that was pretty tough the Drew holiday one was terrible don’t get me wrong but it was accentuated by the damn alley to to Giannis which was just both of those combined was just devastating all right to round out Today’s Show we’re gonna do a draft because it’s been a minute since we’ve done a draft this is G be strap in this is not going to be pretty some of the products you say the same thing this is this is this is your warning oh man we’re so sorry the order of today’s draft is going to be espo Lindsay Saul Gerald damn I’m always third and we are going to be drafting our favorite will you lose that term I use that term loosely here infomercial products okay some of the best infomercial products so you could say the best also equals the worst it’s just fun ridiculous outrageous Shenanigans around infomercial products so all right ESO ESO what are you going to start us off with I have to go with one of the most memeable products one of the most ridiculous products everybody thought it helped with their uh with their physical health uhhuh the shake weight there’s nothing more stupid than that and what it looked like while you were using it so it’s a great number one pick the Charles Barkley meme using the one of the best all right I think I’m going to go with one that might be an actual like hit okay like I think it did more than people people liked it more than they expected I’m gonna go with the Snuggie okay that’s a good number two pick well you’re be wildly disappointed with my list because I picked a whole bunch of [ __ ] that I had never heard of before i’ never seen before uh but they are infomercials uh and some of them I do recall from uh late night television so um okay my my first one is called uh the the titty Bear yes I saw the titty bear titty bear was this soft bear that was supposed to be uh strapped onto your seat belt and uh make you feel comfortable and so and so the seat belt didn’t rub into your chest exactly was the the titty bear honestly I’m not mad at that one of the best names on the list that we’ll probably encounter I think it that’s a good one t d d y be what you got he looks happy Gerald and it’s he looks looks very happy does he it’s like he’s like saying it too he’s like hi I’m titty my name’s titty pretty sure that’s where they got the idea for Ted from right oh man Gerald you got two what you got yeah I got backtack picks so uh man I kind of got to go with a billy ma product to start so I’m going to go with Mighty Putty Mighty Putty because my man was like sticking that thing to everything and pretending like it was fixing everything the that thing the putty that everybody act like of a long week uh so I’m going Mighty Putty number one then number two I am taking the Euro club and this is the most out of pocket [ __ ] unnecessary I’ve ever seen you guys you know what their tagline is let me just tell you their tagline is your ball might end up in the lake but with Euro Club your urine won’t have to invented by a urologist and it looks like your average Club it’s literally a fake club that you stick in your golf bag and it’s hollowed out and you put it under a golf towel and you P into it because you’re too lazy to go to the bathroom on the golf I’m not I’m not sure how I feel about them calling it an average Club too what I’m using goodness all right who are you taking that uh you know Hey listen we’ve all been there middle of the night you hear some noises in your house and you’re like man uh do I need to get my gun or my knife or something like that I don’t know what’s happening uh so here uh my favorite one is the backup no way I had that too it is a holster bedside Hol so you can be ready to just shoot away whenever trouble comes in the door for your shotgun not for your shotgun no no yeah we’re blowing the competition away with this thing this doesn’t seem safe no [ __ ] really there’s no way don’t need the record to show I didn’t I don’t think this feel safe Grandpa die Grandma shot him with a shotgun I just needed to make it the backup uh you spelled titty wrong too by the way it’s t d d y oh my God okay um hilarious I I feel like I wonder if these will I don’t know if these will last so I feel like I should take one of the funny ones now and then try and see if one of the the good ones is still there I’m going to take the slob stopper no way we just beat the teddy bear for the best name on the list it is is a bib for adults so in case you’re driving to work and you’d like to eat your breakfast or drink your coffee and you’re just a tad bit clumsy don’t worry we’ve got Ault bibs for you there’s no way they name that that’s what they 1495 for a limited time there’s no oh my that is so out of pocket how did you guys not see that I didn’t see that one I didn’t see that I told oh my God so I could have got that later but whatever here we go so am I back to back now back to back oh my goodness I feel like I have to take value here okay if we’re talking products that had an impact I’m not going humorous on this one I’ll go humorous the rest of the way the George foran that’s what I was gonna take that’s what I should have Tak it top to your talent to get in the third round all right what you got next I got to go with something that I’m still not 100% sure what the [ __ ] this is It’s called a comfort White can we put that photo Comfort can we put the photo up I need that because supposedly this thing supposed to help you with your down low hygiene oh but when you see the photo of this thing uh it makes little to no sense what it what it is yeah I sent you it it’s the it’s the stick thing uh oh no that’s that’s not called The Comfort white buddy was that not the Comfort white budy oh no it is it is it is it is what in the act hell are you doing with this thing I had that on my list too like it’s a handle and then one looks like a a a what are you I don’t know if you’re supposed to use it from behind I don’t know if you’re supposed to stick it up somewhere try I don’t know the whole thing just it does look like a plunger for your doesn’t it that’s the thing and there’s no real description of how you’re supposed to use it which surprising commercials usually do have that way too much the imagination on that and what it’s called a comfort wipe I don’t know so all right so I think I need to take a value pick here so I’m going to go with oxy clean because I think it became way more popular than anybody thought it was going to be yep uh I’m going to go with something that is indestructible uhuh it will it would have stopped uh the Titanic from sinking all the way to the bottom of the ocean uh I’m taking Flex tape there you go cuz Flex tape stops everything yeah flex steel sorry Flex Seal yeah Flex Seal uh it’s un it’s undeniable you guys know what it is he he can ride a boat with a screen door as the bottom oh man okay so I got backtack picks now yes um okay I I need a ruling on this one CU I wasn’t sure if it’s an infomercial or just a commercial I couldn’t remember the Clapper yep it was an infomercial all right we’re taking The Clapper is that the lights on lights off clap clap on clap off The Clapper yeah uh so we’re taking The Clapper at number number 12 and then we are going to follow that up with another out-of pocket pick we are going to go with The Squatty Potty yep The Squatty Potty is not out of pocket The Squatty Potty commercial was out of pocket yes Squatty Potty is legit The Squatty Potty commercial know these days has squat I have the pooping unicorn that pooped ice cream and The Shakespearean man and the whole diagram you’ve never seen that commercial that either oh my we’re watching the I think I picked it just because that image exists online it’s it’s insane I’m not mad at it so what you going with here uh all right so this is uh you know I feel like Squatty Potty is a solid fourth it is it is um listen there’s there’s sometimes it gets hot in the summer especially here in Arizona and sometimes your AC just is not kicking up the way you want it to and for the ladies sometimes uh you know it gets a little sweaty uh on on the old uh upper part of your body and so uh I’m taking the Kush the Kush the cush what is this the I had this on my lip is breast support for Sid sleepers cup size C and larger it’s a pillow it’s a pillow for your did they say this was a heat thing this is that what they say or is that what you’re assuming it is I’m just assuming it is this is to keep you from getting wrinkles I’m pretty sure this is a thing in your breasts like on your chest like like right in this area I think is what it’s supposed to do because they make pillows and [ __ ] like that nowadays that you can get that look almost identical and it keeps it keep because neither of you have that there you go that’s fair I if I keep eating like I don’t know what it’s I don’t know if this is specifically for that but it’s supposed to keep you from getting wrinkles like on your chest area interesting Saul has a real distinct dress more you know all right my turn I’m going to roll with I’m going to go with one that I talked about earlier this week Life Alert lowy the best commercials of all time but also solid product solid product still use it today okay espo you got two here and then you’re done your final two debating it’s a tough one there’s a lot here there’s still good stuff available I got some classic ones I got some ones that will fall in a all category uh oh I’m losing this just so you know because nobody knows half of these things unless they uh you might need pictures the floby what’s the the vacuum that cut your hair that’s the dumbest thing ever the vacuum that cut human hair I could use hilarious you tried that [ __ ] is for white people only wait but you tried to use it no I mean there’s no way I could use it cuz my hair doesn’t pull up like that no I feel you but I I thought you actually tried and I was like I want to know where I want to know what the guy’s using the mirror for does it really [ __ ] matter you’re sticking your hair in in a vacuum that cut your hair just do it buddy ain’t going to look good just need to make sure oh you know what there’s one I want to take but I don’t think we’ll hit with people I’m going to go with the booty pop the booty pop D the booty pop will take your booty to a whole new level the push-up panties will get you noticed with every outfit it’s a pushup bra pushup butt bra I’m not mad at it what the what I’m not mad at it why not different than the spray paint can of hair for you guys sometimes you’re just feeling a little flat you know I’m mad at it oh man I don’t think it’d be comfortable but I’m not mad it oh it’s my turn Sor okay um wait I’m kind of out of fun ones there’s only one left that I think is fun but I feel like I would be better off by taking a good one mhm I just don’t know I’m I’m going I’m going back these are two obvious ones I’m not giving anybody hints here if you didn’t think about these ones that’s on you right a ShamWow and a Chia Pet ShamWow has some classic commercials but I feel like a Chia Pet is funnier I’m gonna go Chia Pet okay Chia Pet my I’m scared what do you have so I I I don’t think I’m gonna ruin this uh well maybe I’ll give it afterwards I’m not going to take this one but this is this is the one that was my favorite but I’m not gonna take it because yeah but I’m G to take the Slap Chop okay that’s a good one Slap Chop honestly I feel like that would also hit more than anybody anticipated because they’ve been recreated many times since then and everybody has them yeah Slap Chop is good that is a quality lash it I have one more that I’ll showare after Gerald okay man so Boflex and ShamWow are both on the board as our Magic Bullet Ginsu Knives oh boy um I’m just going to take the ShamWow for name recognition here but I did really want to show you guys the Poo trap oh boy just really quickly I considered it it’s the most vile thing I think that I’ve seen a like self it’s like a harness for a dog but with a bag that attaches to its butt no poops no oops for the most people that are just disgusted by their dogs stuff which if you’re I’m sorry if you don’t pick up your dog’s poop don’t get a dog on a second though if if you don’t want to pick it you’re still GNA have to take that damn contrap off your dog but there there’s a way like when you pull it like it automatically like closes itself feel like you run the risk of your dog getting scared by that and then like freaking out and now there’s [ __ ] everywhere it’s like borderline animal cruelty it looks ridiculous mine was uh mine was something that I would actually like to purchase and it’s called the the T-Rex uh wall sculpture t-x the T-Rex wall SC sculpture it’s basically Jurassic Park inside your house oh I’m not mad at it I had that on my list too I had a couple that I didn’t go with but I really wanted to Miss Cleo was I didn’t think that would counter I totally would have taken wasal to call Miss Cleo was on there for your free tarot card reading I love Miss Cleo and then TV hat was another one I saw which was literally the the stupidest thing I saw on any of the list do you have that photo as uh it was a hat that basically had a a box connected to it that you put your phone in the end so you could watch videos enclosed in your own hat stupid some other notable ones are the Thigh Master the Magic Bullet those are all big ones knives yeah did anyone take or think about Hawaii chair I did I had that did anybody see Bug Assault what the Bug Assault I have one of those yeah it’s like a little Nerf gun type thing they’re pretty they they call them a salt guns too because you put salt in them oh is why it’s salt yeah okay I wasn’t sure proactive the Hawaii the Hawaii chair was probably one of that was one of the dumbest it basically just rotates your you sit in it and it’s just a chair that’s moving back and forth so you’re like doing a hoola but it’s like supposed to work out your abs so but it looked really dumb the uh I also had what was the other one that I had oh the farting bank I saw that the infomercial for the farting Bank you put money in it and it farted That’s funny though you guys remember the key look how wrong that is you guys remember the key chains of the pigs that when you squeezed a little poop came out y those things were so funny but there was no infomercial for no no no they were just little infomercial oh man all right so are we going to review our pix yeah we’ve got would you take I don’t remember can we put up shake weight George Foreman Grill the Comfort wipe which I still don’t know what it is the floby and the booty pop okay and then I went ahead and took what did I take very good um I took the Mighty Putty the Euro Club The Clapper The Squatty Potty and the Sham wow you got both ends taken care of the EUR the EUR Club at the schol oh man I took uh the titty bear the backup Flex Seal the Kush and Slap Chop you’re lucky all right I got the Snuggie the slobstopper the oxy clean Life Alert and a Chia Pet I think Lindsay’s going to win this just for name recogn and the fact that she has slob St Jesus Christ the searches for slob stoer are going to go up and they’re going to see so many things they probably just make sure if you search you add infomercial at the end oh my God happy Friday Jesus oh my gosh all right guys that was your pallet cleanser episode I don’t know if it actually cleanse the pallet the way that we thought because we did end up fighting a lot in the beginning of I feel ready for the weekend uh but the draft definitely was uh it fit the bill on that one thank you all for hanging out with us we will see you all on Monday for more Suns talk it’s going to be the first episode of vetman Monday so don’t miss it you guys come get 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  1. I'm with Girth on Luka… The only way to redeem Luka for me is if we got him onto the Suns somehow and won a chip with him. Anything less isnt enough for the embarrassment.

  2. Luka is what we thought Booker would be. What hurts is Luka is the best player in the league and Book regressed this past season trying to be a point guard.

  3. Saul and Espo are absolutely right. I have nightmares of that Paxson 3. We were winning practically that whole 4th quarter and it was looking like game 7 was going to happen. Jordan went nuts in that 4th and Paxson hitting that 3 was so fuckin devastating. It was like WTF just happened.

  4. Saul and Espo are coping hard with Luka because he’s in a position to where he can’t lose anymore. What can we say! Our worst fears came true and trying to accept it doesn’t mean you can’t admit that we hate it

  5. Yeah cool.. Luka is a generational player who finally made the finals. What we did back in 2021!!!
    How many times have I heard “ get over it “ when people talk about that squad yet we continue to talk about the 2018 draft.
    Did the Suns make a hit with Bender, Len, Jackson and Chriss? Look how many players that was passed on!
    End of the day Luka was handed the keys in Dallas… would Book have stepped aside for him?? He hasn’t even done that with KD!
    Luka’s attitude would of been detrimental on Book.
    Book would of probably dipped like Brunson

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