Lets be honest, if RJ keeps playing the way he played once he joined the Raps, his contract might be one the best in the whole NBA.
Crazy that people saw his contract as one of the worst in the NBA not too long ago.
vauno
Now do a comparison with Scottie.
Oh wait…
h3yn0w75
Scottie would be the better comp as they are from the same draft class and signed contracts at the same time.
beefJeRKy-LB
Franz PROBABLY won’t be all-NBA so it’s more like 225. Point still stands of course but if Franz got to All-NBA I imagine his stats will eclipse RJ’s
Eclectic_Canadian
I get this is more of a joke than anything, but I think there is something to be said about RJ being the better player to have, especially at cost.
The go-to argument for Franz seems to be that he’s younger, but he’s only 1 year younger than RJ. Sure, RJ has played 5 NBA seasons to Franz’s 3, but it’s not like Franz is coming off a rookie year and RJ is a vet, they are much closer than people expect.
The big thing though is the 3P%. If RJ’s 39% with the Raps across 30+ games is more representative of what he does in the future than his career 34.6% then he has all-star potential. I can see people wanting to discount that because of sample size, but it’s almost half of a season of reasonable volume (3.8 attempts a game) and the difference in his role was huge between the Knicks and Raps which led to a different shot diet and possibly the increase in efficiency.
Now Franz had the exact opposite situation. He shot 35-36% in his first two seasons, and then on the same team dropped down to 28%. If that stays the same then it severely caps his upside as he becomes a non-shooting forward who does most of his damage as a midrange/inside scorer, not exactly the most coveted position in today’s NBA.
ca_lawyer
RJ has probably come close to his peak as a player though. He’s ultimately in my view always going to be limited by being slow af. Franz is younger and has more room to grow. They’re paying for who he should be in 2-3 more years.
To be clear – I like RJ and think he’s good and will contribute to us as contenders.
With all this said I acknowledge the Wagner contract is pretty insane. Nearly 45m a year. Nuts.
ABlushingGardener
And they said Scottie was an overpay?
Oozeinator
That’s my toxic contract
BubblyPhilosophy3476
franz is younger and better. i dont get this
nin_culus
but have you seen his time decay rapm%
Big_Albatross_3050
In defense of Franz, RJ is on a pretty big steal of a contract due to his utilization in NY behind Randle when he signed suppressing his value quite a bit.
If he was on the Raps from the start, he might be on closer to a max contract right now.
Plus it is extremely hard to make All NBA now unless you’re either in a massive market, win a MVP, or a very marketable superstar. I don’t think even Scottie will make All NBA, let alone Franz Wagner
Ficklenesses
One plays in a high tax area vs the other plays in a low tax area
IHavePoopedBefore
Those are RJs NY and Raptors numbers mixed too.
If you focus on just his Raps numbers he takes the apg category too
pahamack
RJ had a great season.
He keeps that up or improves that trade was a fleece by Masai.
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Lets be honest, if RJ keeps playing the way he played once he joined the Raps, his contract might be one the best in the whole NBA.
Crazy that people saw his contract as one of the worst in the NBA not too long ago.
Now do a comparison with Scottie.
Oh wait…
Scottie would be the better comp as they are from the same draft class and signed contracts at the same time.
Franz PROBABLY won’t be all-NBA so it’s more like 225. Point still stands of course but if Franz got to All-NBA I imagine his stats will eclipse RJ’s
I get this is more of a joke than anything, but I think there is something to be said about RJ being the better player to have, especially at cost.
The go-to argument for Franz seems to be that he’s younger, but he’s only 1 year younger than RJ. Sure, RJ has played 5 NBA seasons to Franz’s 3, but it’s not like Franz is coming off a rookie year and RJ is a vet, they are much closer than people expect.
The big thing though is the 3P%. If RJ’s 39% with the Raps across 30+ games is more representative of what he does in the future than his career 34.6% then he has all-star potential. I can see people wanting to discount that because of sample size, but it’s almost half of a season of reasonable volume (3.8 attempts a game) and the difference in his role was huge between the Knicks and Raps which led to a different shot diet and possibly the increase in efficiency.
Now Franz had the exact opposite situation. He shot 35-36% in his first two seasons, and then on the same team dropped down to 28%. If that stays the same then it severely caps his upside as he becomes a non-shooting forward who does most of his damage as a midrange/inside scorer, not exactly the most coveted position in today’s NBA.
RJ has probably come close to his peak as a player though. He’s ultimately in my view always going to be limited by being slow af. Franz is younger and has more room to grow. They’re paying for who he should be in 2-3 more years.
To be clear – I like RJ and think he’s good and will contribute to us as contenders.
With all this said I acknowledge the Wagner contract is pretty insane. Nearly 45m a year. Nuts.
And they said Scottie was an overpay?
That’s my toxic contract
franz is younger and better. i dont get this
but have you seen his time decay rapm%
In defense of Franz, RJ is on a pretty big steal of a contract due to his utilization in NY behind Randle when he signed suppressing his value quite a bit.
If he was on the Raps from the start, he might be on closer to a max contract right now.
Plus it is extremely hard to make All NBA now unless you’re either in a massive market, win a MVP, or a very marketable superstar. I don’t think even Scottie will make All NBA, let alone Franz Wagner
One plays in a high tax area vs the other plays in a low tax area
Those are RJs NY and Raptors numbers mixed too.
If you focus on just his Raps numbers he takes the apg category too
RJ had a great season.
He keeps that up or improves that trade was a fleece by Masai.
Don’t let RJ see this post..